Barack Obama Airdrops Arms and Supplies to PKK Terrorists Outside Kobani

by Scott Creighton

UPDATE: The terrorists linked to the PKK say “thanks but we want more weapons

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While the people of the United States are being deliberately distracted by the criminally over-hyped Ebola Crisis™, President Peace Prize is backing the Shi’a death-squads of the murderous al-Maliki regime in Iraq (read here , here and here) and air-dropping weapons, munitions and other aid to a notorious terrorist organization, the Kurdish Worker’s Party (PKK), in Syria (read here and here).

“The United States has airdropped small arms, ammunition and medical supplies to Kurdish militia forces in the besieged city of Kobani who have been fighting back an ISIS assault for weeks. The airdrops will likely stir controversy with the Turkish government, which has opposed support for Kurdish military groups in Syria that it believes are affiliated with a Kurdish group that has conducted terrorist attacks inside Turkey for decadesABC News

“The airdrops are almost certain to anger the Turkish government, which has said it would oppose any U.S. arms transfers to the Kurdish rebels in Syria. Turkey views the main Kurdish group in Syria as an extension of the Turkish Kurd group known as the PKK, which has waged a 30-year insurgency in Turkey and is designated a terror group by the U.S. and by NATO.” AP

Senior administration officials reported that on Sunday night three American C-130 aircraft dropped 27 pallets of materials for the Kurdish fighters in or near Kobani. It was classified as “the type of material that would help them sustain this fight.”

The PKK is classified as a terrorist organization by Turkey, NATO, the EU and the United States among many others.

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said on Monday in Ankara that the Kurdish Workers’ Party (PKK) was certainly a terrorist organizationPeople’s Daily

EU Counter-terrorism Coordinator Kerchove says it is not on their agenda to remove the PKK from the terrorist list in a short term.” World Bulletin

US Department of State – Foreign Terrorist Organizations List

  1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
  2. Abu Sayyaf Group
  3. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
  4. Armed Islamic Group
  5. ‘Asbat al-Ansar
  6. Aum Shinrikyo
  7. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
  8. Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
  9. Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement)
  10. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
  11. Hizballah (Party of God)
  12. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
  13. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
  14. Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
  15. Kahane Chai (Kach)
  16. Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)

The following other individual countries have listed or otherwise labelled the PKK in an official capacity as a terrorist organization:

Australia,[133][134] Austria,[135] Azerbaijan,[136] Canada,[137] Germany,[138] Iran,[139] Japan,[140] Kazakhstan,[141] Kyrgyzstan,[142] the Netherlands,[143] New Zealand,[144] Spain,[145] and Syria.[146]

The United States has been trying to cultivate an atmosphere over the past several months that would allow them to remove the PKK from their list of international terrorist organizations and export that PR move to other NATO and EU nations. They fully understood that they would need them in their destabilization campaign in Syria and perhaps part of the reward they might have promised the terrorists is some kind of assistance getting their hands on the controls in Turkey, something they have been trying to do for three decades.

“US media and think tanks along with some European politicians are discussing removing the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) from the lists of terrorist organizations, encouraged by the Turkish government’s negotiations with the group and its imprisoned leader, Abdullah Öcalan, and the PKK’s new role assisting in the fight against the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

The PKK is currently manning the frontlines to help defeat ISIL…” Aug. 31, 2014

Here’s a bit of a Christian Science Monitor article from back in Aug. of this year where they wonder aloud if this terrorist organization is a “terrorist or ally” in Obama’s war against “ISIS”

“The Islamic State only has a war experience of two years but we have 30 years of experience in fighting,” says Sabri Ok, a senior PKK leader, in a rare interview….

… “The most logical approach would be to send ammunition and guns to those forces who have resisted the Islamic State, which proved they can resist IS attacks,” Ok tells the Christian Science Monitor. “Our forces are the ones that are really on the ground defending the people and the United States should see that.” Christian Science Monitor

Notice they accept the fact that this terrorist group has been committing acts of terrorism for the past 30 years and somehow these “Christians” think that’s not such a bad thing and even a plus on their resume. Also notice the foreshadowing, where this leader of a terrorist organization says he hopes the U.S. starts sending them weapons and ammunition for their efforts.

Yes, there is no doubt that the PKK is “manning the front lines” in Syria on our behalf. The question is, who are they attacking? “ISIS” or the Syrian people and their legitimate government’s institutions?

In this recent CNN article, they actually claim that the terrorist organization, the PKK, is Obama’s best choice for “boots on the ground” and perhaps we had better remove them from that terrorist group list before the general public figures out that Obama is arming yet another terrorist organization with decades worth of civilian blood on their hands.

The PKK has effectively become the West’s best hope for on-the-ground troops, winning the group positive reviews in Western media. Since the group started its assault against ISIS in northern Iraq, there has been a lot of talk in Western capitals about removing the PKK from the terror list.” CNN

The CNN article makes it clear that a recent vote in Turkey’s legislature opens the possibility for Turkish troops to enter Syria in defense of their nation but it remains unclear as too what Turkey will actually do there. There is talk that they may have just opened the door to getting involved on behalf of the Syrian government in an effort to thwart the advance of the PKK.

“The wording of last week’s parliamentary resolution — which states that “the terrorist elements of the outlawed PKK still exist in northern Iraq”suggests that Kurdish separatists still remain the Turkish government’s top concern.” CNN

Don’t forget, our failed color revolution in Turkey wasn’t that long ago and I seriously doubt leadership in Turkey has forgotten it.

There is no doubt that the US military, on orders from the Commander in Chief, just air-dropped supplies and weapons to an officially classified terrorist organization.  There is no doubt that this group has just recently been brought in, around the same time the Obama administration needed to “ISIS Crisis” to justify helping the murderous regime in Iraq hold power while expanding his terrorist destabilization campaign in Syria.

The PKK engaged Islamic State (IS) forces in Syria in mid-July 2014[78] as part of the Syrian Civil War. Wiki page on the PKK

Recently  Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov addressed the UN General Assembly asking them specifically to take on a new role, stopping the United States from waging these terrorist wars of aggression via proxy in various nations (Libya, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Syria and others)

Let’s see if Sergei puts his money where his mouth is in spite of the fact that one of Russia’s leading oligarchs is betting on the al-Maliki regime in order to pilfer even more of the natural resources from the people of Iraq. My guess is, it’ll be the same complicit silence we hear these days from the “anti-war” left here in the states. But I guess there’s always…

28 Responses

  1. LOL, perfect ending to this informative article.

  2. If Turkey enters Syria, is it possible that Syria will think that Turkey is now attacking them? Will that place those two countries in a war between each other? That would be a catastrophic helpful event for Obama? This sounds like a bear trap.

  3. Mad, they’d rather assist a terrorist group, than the legitimate government of Assad, which has a majority approval! (No one can deny that Assad’s government is justifiable) So it really is the agenda to oust him, via the long route! 😉

  4. PKK is not a shia group – Kurds are predominantly Sunni. The fighters in Kobani are PYK and PYJ which stands for local defense forces men and women fighters. The Turkish government had closed its borders to fighters and supplies going in to Kobani and was refusing to let civilians get out of the town and cross in to Turkey. PKK fighters and Kurds from Iraq and Turkey wanted to come from Iraq to Kobai via Turkey which until today had been refused. The government here in Turkey has been supplying and supporting the IS fighters hoping that they would eradicate the Kurds of northern Syria. Now that the fighters in Kobani have driven the IS out of the town the US and Turkey are trying to defuse the Kurdish hostility engendered by their earlier actions. You shouls really research the contonment system of ‘socialist-type’ government of the Syrian Kurds and Öcalan’s ‘Prison Writings’ would be a real eye-opener.

  5. I would add that the Syrian Kurdish groups are only classed as ‘terrorists’ by the Turks who fear a Kurdish state from Iran to the Med on their southern border. Syrian Kurds are not accused by any government/organisation of terrorist acts.

  6. Bummer, trying to look like a leader, a man with a vision. Maybe thinking they’ll have that picture stamped on a bill of money some day.

    A better fit would an image of one of the innocents he’s killed, looking at the wound, looking confused. Like, “I was born for this?”

    • I remember my uncles coming home from WWII. I wonder if they thought they had saved the world. If they did, they should see it now.

      Also, I wonder what the Germans thought, how they see it now.

      Way I see it, when it gets to the point that the citizens of any nation strings it’s leaders up to the lamp posts, they get a season out of the snake pit. No more. New eggs are always being laid.

      Still, they get that season

  7. a notorious terrorist organization, the Kurdish Worker’s Party (PKK)

    Tell me, who did the PKK terrorize, exactly?

    this terrorist group has been committing acts of terrorism for the past 30 years

    “acts of terrorism” = resisting Turkish fascism and ethnic cleansing

    US Department of State – Foreign Terrorist Organizations List

    11. Hizballah (Party of God)

    16. Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)

    Well, if the US State Department says they’re terrorists, I guess that settles it. We can’t have people fighting against their fascist client regimes in Israel and Turkey, can we?

    • VICE “News” is currently running a campaign to white wash the history of the PKK.

      You come here talking about this being all just cover so the “ebil” Turkish government can wipe out some leftists who are “freedom fighters” I guess(?) in Turkey?

      Allow me to explain:

      the Kurdish YPG allied with the Free Syrian Army to take Kobane to start with. Took if from the Syrian people, that is. You can go to VICE they did a glowing report on one of their 19 year old terrorists who plans to go back to Kobane to blow himself up as a suicide bomber… but don’t worry, he’s just going to target “ISIS”

      https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-kurdish-suicide-bomber-planning-to-attack-the-islamic-state-in-kobane

      the PKK is teamed up the the “offical” Turkish group out of Iraq, the peshmerga, who are linked to the CIA and part and parcel of the Iraqi death-squads that have been terrorizing Sunnis in Iraq since 2005 or so.

      “American officials speaking on a conference call with reporters late Sunday declined to characterize Turkey’s reaction to the airdrops. They said the Obama administration had “made clear to the Turkish government for some days now the urgency of facilitating resupply,” a senior official said on the call, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

      Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking in Jakarta, Indonesia, said the Obama administration approved the airdrop because it would have been “irresponsible” and “morally very difficult” to fail to support the Kurdish fighters in a “crisis moment,” The Associated Press reported.

      He acknowledged the pressures facing Turkey, but defended the focus on Kobani.

      “Let me say very respectfully to our allies the Turks that we understand fully the fundamentals of their opposition, and ours, to any kind of terrorist group, and particularly, obviously, the challenges they face with respect to the P.K.K.,” Mr. Kerry said. “But we have undertaken a coalition effort to degrade and destroy ISIL, and ISIL is presenting itself in major numbers in this place called Kobani.”

      “Polat Can, a spokesman for the Kurdish fighters in Syria, said that shipment included antitank weapons. He said that the Kurdish forces were expecting more airdrops in the coming days.

      There was less visible fighting in the city during the day. In the afternoon, fires started appearing to the east of the city, an area still partly controlled by Islamic State fighters, and residents fretted that the militants were torching homes.

      Mr. Cavusoglu did not say how or when the pesh merga fighters would cross into Kobani. Late Monday, Hemin Hawrami, an Iraqi Kurdish official, wrote on Twitter that the fighters had been ordered to deploy in the next 48 hours.

      A senior Pentagon official said on Monday, speaking on the condition of anonymity, that “it will be a significant change to be able to have a free flow of fighters going into Kobani.”

      A Kurdish defense official in Kobani, Ismet Sheikh Hassan said he had not been given any information about when the pesh merga would arrive. He welcomed the influx, while asserting that the Kurdish fighters already in the city — members of the People’s Protection Forces, the Y.P.G. — were not desperate for more fighters.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/world/middleeast/kobani-turkey-kurdish-fighters-syria.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

  8. yet another terrorist organization with decades worth of civilian blood on their hands.

    Have you got a reference for that?

    Because maybe I’m just misinformed, but I really thought it was the Turkish military that had decades worth of civilian blood on their hands. Armaments provided by the United States Government, as usual in such cases.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93PKK_conflict

    One third of the Kurdish militias are women. You don’t see the Jihadi scumbags allowing women to have guns.

    http://rt.com/news/193972-kurdish-women-fighters-isis/

    If, as you claim (no disagreement from me), ISIS(TM) has been manufactured largely as a pretext for Imperial intervention in Iraq and Syria, then just about the absolute minimum they would have to do to maintain the credibility of that story, is to airdrop a few crates of ammunition to the people who are ALREADY fighting against the CIA/Saudi mercenaries, and drop a few bombs in the general area. I don’t see why this should be surprising.

    And now, as per your update, the people who are actually fighting against the Jihadis claim that this “support” is totally inadequate. Well, what a fucking surprise that is.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-a-caliph-in-a-wilderness-of-mirrors

    • oh goodie… yet another for me… oh joy

      wow, really? you’re going with the “empowering women” meme in support for our war on “ISIS”? Really? you think we’re that stupid?

      You want to know if the PKK are terrorists? Let’s start with a timeline from Wiki, shall we?

      “1978–1984

      In the first phase (1978–1984), the PKK tried to gain the support of the Kurdish population. It attacked the machinery of government and distributed propaganda in the region. PKK tactics were based on ambush, sabotage, riots, protests, and demonstrations against the Turkish government. PKK has also been accused of violent attacks on individual civilians or residential areas (Kurds and non-Kurds alike), who refused to co-operate with the PKK or were suspected of collaborating with the Turkish authorities. During these years, the PKK fought a turf war against other predominantly Kurdish organisations in Turkey. The PKK effectively used the prison force to gain appeal among the population.[60][61] In the whole Turkey, this period was characterized by violent clashes which culminated in the 1980 military coup.

      During this time, the organization argued that its violent actions were explained by the need to defend Kurds in the context of what it considered as the massive cultural suppression of Kurdish identity (including the 1983 Turkish Language Act Ban) and cultural rights carried out by other governments of the region.[62]
      1984–1999

      In the second phase (1984–1999), which followed the return of civilian rule in 1983, escalating attacks were made on the government’s military and vital institutions all over the country. The objective was to destabilise Turkish authority through a long, low-intensity confrontation. In addition to skirmishing with Turkish military and police forces and local village guards, the PKK has conducted suicide bombing on government and police installations, as well as at local tourist sites.[63] Kidnapping and assassination against government officials and Kurdish tribal leaders who were named as puppets of the state were performed as well. Widespread sabotages were continued from the first stage. PKK also carried out kidnappings of Western tourists, primarily in Istanbul but also at different resorts. Its actions have taken place mainly in Turkey and against Turkish targets in other countries, although it has on occasions co-operated with other Kurdish nationalist paramilitary groups in neighboring states, such as Iraq and Iran.[64] PKK has also attacked Turkish diplomatic and commercial facilities across Western Europe. In effect, the Turkish state has led a series of counter-insurgency operations against the PKK, accompanied by political measures, starting with an explicit denunciation of separatism in the 1982 Constitution, and including proclamation of the state of emergency in various PKK-controlled territories starting in 1983 (when the military relinquished political control to the civilians). This series of administrative reforms against terrorism included in 1985 the creation of village guard system by the then prime minister Turgut Özal who is of partial Kurdish descent.

      PKK members in Sweden came into conflict with the Swedish government, and in 1986 PKK became the first main suspect for the assassination of Olof Palme.[citation needed] The illegal investigation of these suspicions led to the Ebbe Carlsson affair.

      In the late 1980s and early 1990s, in an effort to win increased support from the Kurdish peasantry, the PKK altered its leftist secular ideology to better accommodate and accept Islamic beliefs. The group also abandoned its previous strategy of attacking Kurdish civilians, focusing instead on government and tourist targets.[65] In its campaign, the organization has been accused of carrying out atrocities against both Turkish and Kurdish civilians and its actions have been criticised by human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Actions of the Turkish state in the past have also been criticised by these same groups.

      All in all, this low-intensity conflict has lasted more than 30 years.
      1999–2012

      The third phase (1999–2012), after the capture of Öcalan, according to Maoist theory of people’s war claims that conventional fighting should be established to seize cities, overthrow the government and take control of the country. This stage has never been achieved. In effect, after the capture of Öcalan, activities of the organization never reached previous levels. At the same time, the PKK continued to heavily recruit new members and sustain its fighting force.

      In April 2002 at its 8th Party Congress, the PKK changed its name to the Kurdistan Freedom and Democracy Congress (KADEK) and proclaimed a commitment to nonviolent activities in support of Kurdish rights. A PKK/KADEK spokesman stated that its armed wing, The People’s Defense Force, would not disband or surrender its weapons for reasons of self-defense, however. This statement by the PKK/KADEK avowing it would not lay down its arms underscores that the organization maintained its capability to carry out armed operations. PKK/KADEK established a new ruling council in April, its membership virtually identical to the PKK’s Presidential Council. The PKK/KADEK did not conduct an armed attack in 2002; however, the group periodically issued veiled threats that it will resume violence if the conditions of its imprisoned leader are not improved, and it continued its military training and planning.

      In late 2003, the group sought to engineer another political face-lift, renaming the group Kongra-Gel (KGK) and brandishing its “peaceful” intentions, while continuing to commit attacks and refuse disarmament. The organization was said to be involved in drug trafficking and acts of terrorism in Turkey, and it frequently changed its name.

      In January 2004 the US Government announced that Kurdistan Workers Party and its aliases, the Kurdistan Freedom and Democracy Congress and the Kurdistan People’s Congress, were terrorist organizations that were designated as such under US law. The Coalition Provisional Authority, coalition forces and Iraqi security forces would treat the PKK/KADEK/Kongra-Gel as terrorists. Although Kongra-Gel included some former militants, the group in recent years had developed a political platform that renounced terrorism. Kongra-Gel called off the cease-fire at the start of June 2004, saying Turkish security forces had refused to respect the truce. Turkish security forces were increasingly involved in clashes with Kurdish separatist fighters. Ankara claimed that about 2,000 Kurdish fighters had crossed into Turkey from hideouts in mountainous northern Iraq in early June 2004.

      While the fight against the Turkish security forces between 2004 and 2010 failed to achieve any significant military progress, the PKK and its ancillary organizations continued to enjoy substantial support among the Kurds of Turkey. In 2005 the original name of the organisation PKK was restored. Turkey’s struggle against the Kongra-Gel/PKK was marked by increased violence across Turkey in 2005. In the Southeast, Turkish security forces were active in the struggle against the Kongra-Gel/PKK. There were bombings and attempted bombings in resort areas in western Turkey and Istanbul, some of which resulted in civilian casualties. A Kurdish separatist group calling itself the Kurdish Freedom Falcons (TAK), widely believed to be affiliated with the Kongra-Gel/PKK, claimed responsibility for many of these attacks. In 2006 alone, the PKK claimed over 500 victims. In October 2006, the KGK/PKK declared a unilateral cease-fire that slowed the intensity and pace of its attacks, but attacks continued in response to Turkish security forces significant counterinsurgency and counter-terrorism operations, especially in the southeast. On 21 October 2011 Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi announced Iran would co-operate with Turkey in some military operations against the PKK.[66]

      2012 was the most violent year in the armed conflict between the Turkish State and PKK since 1999. At least 541 individuals lost their lives as a result of the clashes including 316 militants. In contrast, 152 individuals lost their lives in 2009 when the Turkish government initiated negotiations with the PKK leadership.[67] The failure of this negotiations contributed to violence that were particularly intensified in 2012. The PKK encouraged by the rising power of the Syrian Kurds increased its attacks in the same year.

      During the Syrian civil war, the Kurds in Syria have established control over their own region with the help of the Turkish Kurdistan Workers’ Party as well as with support from the Kurdistan Regional Government in Irbil, under President Massoud Barzani.[68]”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party#1978.E2.80.931984

      Your argument makes absolutely no sense. You’re suggesting maybe that the US government is backing a Hamas-type legitimate organization in their fight against the fictitious “ISIS”? Really? Is that your conclusion? You think they are simply airdropping weapons crates and munitions to legitimate folks fighting AGAINST their destabilization forces… for what?… marketing? Really? are we supposed to be that stupid?

      They tried their best to run a color revolution in Turkey not that long ago (or maybe you think that was a REAL revolution.. like Tarpley and “Cartalluci” see the al-Sisi “revolution” in Egypt?) and it failed. They even lobbed bombs into Turkey from Syria in an effort to get Turkey to join in on the onslaught. That didn’t work out either. Now, finally, the Turkish parliament passes this bit of legislation and you think what? They are pretending the PKK is there so they can attack Syria?

      Even the MSM admits the PKK is there and they are trying their level best to whitewash their history so they can be presented as the next “freedom fighters” for the Obama administration.

      and here you are doing the same thing.

      oh well

    • wow… you must really be onto something… not only are you able to quote Voice of America for your info, but as I have shown, VICE News is singing the same tune…

      as is Rupert Murdock’s Sky News in Britain.

      They claim “new documents” prove that the Turkish government is supporting “ISIS”

      And here they did a newscast embedding with those Kurdish resistance fighters who are taking on ISIS…

      http://news.sky.com/video/1356358/stuart-ramsay-with-rag-tag-army

      though, of course, it looks completely staged and though they are shooting their weapons, the cameraman doesn’t feel the need to turn around and show us what the “brave freedom fighters” are actually shooting at… and no one shoots back… but, that’s not really a concern is it?

      oh yeah, and look… they captured tanks from “ISIS” which look suspiciously like Syrian army tanks.. but don’t pay any attention to that either.

  9. a recent vote in Turkey’s legislature opens the possibility for Turkish troops to enter Syria in defense of their nation

    LIke American troops entered Iraq in defense of their nation? Or is that story only horseshit when the US government uses it?

    but it remains unclear as too what Turkey will actually do there.

    Oooh, let me guess. They will:

    a) assist the fascist terrorists that they and their American overlords have sent to overthrow the government of Syria

    b) attack the Kurdish militias that have been resisting Turkish fascism for thirty years

    c) use the Terror War / National Security pretext to justify smashing the left-wing opposition inside Turkey, like they’ve already been doing, since forever.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

    http://www.voanews.com/content/turkey-fears-deep-state-return/1874926.html

    Did I get that about right?

    • That is interesting Milosevic.
      I am not knowledgable enough on this issue tough.
      But what I am fairly certain and what I have hinted at somewhere else here recently, is that they are supplying trash to the kurds, outdated weapons most likely to whitewash crimes committed in former yugoslavia.

      ¨The aircraft delivered weapons, ammunition and medical supplies that were provided by Kurdish authorities in Iraq.¨
      http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/u.s.-military-conducts-aerial-resupply-of-kurdish-forces-fighting-isil

      The supporting countries are Albania, Britain, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Italy, and France.

      ¨Sorts of those weapons Italy will send to Kurdistan Region

      The Minister of Foreign Affairs stated that many Kalashnikov rifles (AK-47) are ready to send, and he also revealed those AK47’s were gained from the Balkan War during the years 1991 to 1995.¨

      ¨Croatia is set to provide surplus weapons left from the end of the last war in the former Yugoslavia. As Iraqi Kurds are mostly armed with weapons from the former USSR, Croatian government said, “they will find these arms compatible.”

      http://www.themalaymailonline.com/world/article/kurdish-forces-receive-weapons-and-equipment-from-multi-nation-coalition-vi

      http://www.milletpress.com/english/en_report/Print.php?id=6

    • quoting Voice of America? no I somehow don’t think you got that right.

    • oh lookie here.. the NYT has an article spinning up the story about the air-drop and the new legislation in Turkey. But they have some interesting factoids mixed in…

      The Turks’ refusal to allow large amounts of military aid to flow to the defenders of Kobani has also raised tensions across Turkey, where Kurds have accused the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of abandoning the city to the militants of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

      Turkey has been reluctant to empower the Kurdish fighters in Kobani, who are affiliated with the Kurdish Workers’ Party, or P.K.K. That group has fought a three-decade war against the Turkish government, though there have been peace talks for the last year and a half. Turkey, along with the United States and the European Union, considers the group a terrorist organization.

      As recently as Sunday, Mr. Erdogan had said he would not agree to any American arms transfers to Kurdish fighters in Kobani, whom he called “equal” to the P.K.K., according to the semiofficial Anadolu news agency.” NYT

      However, the Peshmerga are definitely linked to Iraq’s corrupt puppet regime in many ways. They are effectively the CIA’s official “freedom fighters” in northern Iraq. THEY are the ones with many female fighters, by the way. Just for future reference.

      I don’t know who’s doing what in Syria/Turkey/Iraq these days. And I don’t know what story to believe… but I do know that Turkey has refused as of late to allow the US to use it’s territories to ship in terrorists to Syria. That may or may not have changed with this latest bit of legislation.

      But I do know, there isn’t a goddamned chance in hell that Obama is airdropping weapons to individuals that will use them against their destabilization forces in Syria. If that is your contention, then you are way way off base and frankly I don’t really understand your attempting to pass that bullshit off as legitimate on my site.

      “Peshmerga is also the official name of the armed forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government in the semiautonomous Iraqi Kurdistan.[6] Peshmerga forces include women in their ranks.[3] ”

      “US and peshmerga spokesmen also claimed to have uncovered a chemical weapons facility at Sargat, the only facility of its type discovered in the Iraq war, which could not have been unnoticed by the government of Saddam Hussein.[21]”

      “The Peshmerga linked up with the CIA’s Special Activities Division (SAD) and the U.S. Military’s 10th Special Forces Group and prepared the battle space for conventional U.S. Military forces throughout Iraq. The first step was evicting the Ansar Al Islam from their enclave around the village of Biyara. This battle happened prior to the invasion in February 2003 and was carried out with officers from SAD and the U.S. Army’s 10th Special Forces Group. Most Ansar al-Islam fighters were killed during this operation, but some escaped to Iran and later regrouped in Iraq as the Ansar al-Sunnah.”

      “As an ally of the US-led coalition, Peshmerga forces fought side by side with American troops in the 2003 Iraq War in Iraqi Kurdistan. Since that time the Peshmerga have assumed full responsibility for the security of the Kurdish areas of Northern Iraq. In late 2004, when Arab Iraqi Police and ING (Iraqi National Guard) units in the city of Mosul collapsed in the face of an insurgent uprising, Kurdish Peshmerga battalions, who had recently been converted into ING forces, led the counter-attack alongside US military units. To this day, there are a number of Kurdish battalions of former Peshmerga in the Iraqi Army serving in Northern Iraq. These units are mostly part of the reformed 2nd Division (Iraq), stationed in Mosul.

      In early 2005 it was speculated by Newsweek magazine that Peshmerga forces would be trained by the US to take on Sunni rebels in Iraq.

      It was estimated[by whom?] that in 2005 there were 180,000 Peshmerga fighters in Iraqi Kurdistan, the article[clarification needed] estimating their number to be 270,000 in total.[citation needed] A recent CBS News report places their number at 375,000.[citation needed]

      In 2008 many Peshmerga soldiers were put into new formations under the interior ministry, one of which is the Zeravani, who are loyal to the Kurdistan Democratic Party. Back in 2008, the Zeravani was a force of 8000 soldiers, but have grown in numbers (to 25,000 as of 2011) and now operate seven bases inside Iraqi Kurdistan. One of the bases is a dedicated airbase for training on ultralight fixed-wing aircraft (Ikarus C42). The Zeravani forces are led by Brigadier General Aziz Waysi Bani.

      The Peshmerga were an active partner in the American-led coalition in Iraq. Many Peshmerga are fluent in Arabic, in contrast to foreign coalition troops, and they therefore played an important role in the Sunni triangle of Central Iraq. On the strategic level the Peshmergas are ready to fight a guerrilla war of any invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan.

      In 2012 the Kurdish leadership put in effect a program to unify the Kurdish forces of PUK and KDP, both of which operated as separate armies inside the region before the unification. The unification program plans on having a total size of 18 brigades, which will be finalized by mid-2014.

      The Peshmerga is organizing its own Special Operations Force (SOF) which will incorporate many of the Cobra battalions. The Cobra forces are elite infantry soldiers found in many units inside the Peshmerga, including the Presidential brigade (in Baghdad there are three Cobra companies) and Intelligence battalion (identical with the Presidential brigade, except it has a scout company equipped with the BRDM-2 armoured patrol car instead of the third Cobra company). Many military experts also speculate that the EC120B and the MD530F helicopters which the KRG is getting might be used as helicopter support for the SOF brigade in the future. Officially, they are destined for the interior police forces.”

    • Oh, look here… VICE “news” agrees with you. the PKK aren’t terrorists they say. wow I guess I was wrong, huh? I mean, if VICE “News” says it’s true…

      “”The peshmerga forces withdrew from Makhmour, and the comrades [the PKK has Marxist-Leninist roots], stayed there, fought against ISIS and ISIS was defeated,” Magid, the commander of the Kirkuk PKK group says, flashing a half smile.

      “Afterwards, the peshmerga forces came with heavy weapons and they hit ISIS with Katyusha [Russian-made multiple rocket launchers]. When we captured the frontlines, there was only PKK.” The guerillas were responsible for all eight Islamic State deaths, he added…

      …PKK tactics, fighting style, and ethos are all very different from the peshmerga too, which has helped them best the Islamic State in the areas they attacked. Like their opponents, they are skilled, fiercely ideological, and battle-hardened guerrilla fighters. The PKK has been fighting the Islamic State in Syria for more than two years and honed their skills in Turkey, whereas the peshmerga have not been tested in battle since before the US-led invasion of Iraq…

      …The PKK has already received some other help from the US too, albeit third-hand. The Kirkuk forces were driving an American Humvee with PKK markings scrawled on the back, and some were equipped with US-made assault rifles. These were seized from Islamic State militants, who had themselves plundered US-supplied weapons when they routed the Iraqi army in June and subsequently used them against both the Iraqi army and peshmerga…

      …Yet the PKK is at pains to stress that it is a force for democracy, not terror. “The PKK is in the list of terrorist groups because of Turkey and imperialist powers,” said one Iranian fighter from Kermanshah. “But the reality is clear like a clean water, and no one can hide it. The PKK proves that it is not a terrorist group but a part of Kurdish forces, it is a force that protect Kurdistan.”

      The fighter dismissed allegations of abuses committed by the group, saying that they were perpetrated by rotten offshoots. “There were some groups that committed crimes under the name of PKK, they did not belong to the PKK. Our ideology and views are not like ISIS. We didn’t slaughter or massacre anyone. All our effort is for our nation, so our nation will have the right of self-determination.”

      VICE “News” Aug. 22nd 2014

      look at that.. they wrote that piece around the same time all the other whitewashing the PKK articles came out.. almost as if…

      why don’t you quote VICE News along with Voice of America when you post these comments on other websites. I’m sure that will go over well.

      Hey, maybe you could get a job writing for VICE?

      https://news.vice.com/article/meet-the-pkk-terrorists-battling-the-islamic-state-on-the-frontlines-of-iraq

    • yeah, but you forgot how the PKK just ambushed and killed a couple Turkish troops this past week. I guess they didn’t include that in your VOA piece.

      http://www.todayszaman.com/latest-news_turkish-lieutenant-killed-another-soldier-injured-in-pkk-attack_356181.html

  10. Good bulk of updates Scott.
    Still, the media trickily makes it look like the US is supplying the Kurds with US weapons, while that is not the case, they just did the airdrop – right?
    And the weapons they dropped where already in the hands of the Kurds from northern Iraq! – the peshmerga who are linked to the Iraqi regime no doubt.
    So if they spin that a little bit through the media, maybe that’s because they have their mercs. (ISIS?) there with more sophisticated weaponry and later can lay the blame on anything pertaining the region that might go wrong – on the Kurds?

    Confused, WTF is the fighting there about anyway? Balkanization, destabilization of Syria? Probably and that could be why ISIS mercs are there fighting the syrian gov. and now have better sway under the internationalized umbrella of the Kurds…
    If that is the case, then the newly armed Kurds act as a front, don’t need all the best equipment and Turkey will flail around a bit but be assured that the Kurds haven’t much more really then shit weapons etc.

    I don’t know tough…

    • ISIS doesn’t really exist. they are more of a propaganda campaign than they are a fighting force. My guess is, they airdropped weapons to the forces outside Kobani who are trying to take it, either FSA or the PKK or the peshmerga… I don’t know who they’re using. they did say the dropped the munitions OUTSIDE the city… well, if you read Iranian or Syrian news they talk about the city being under seige from OUTSIDE the city. they also dropped medical supplies. Perhaps Turkey isn’t letting as many FSA and PKK fighters cross the border as Murdoch’s Sky News is claiming and therefore the ONLY way to resupply the attacking forces is to use airdrops. I don’t know.

      ISIS is just an excuse… it’s a narrative, a pretext, to explain away how Obama is arming terrorists in Syria. He can’t possibly get away with claiming he has to arm these terrorists to unseat Assad.. so… “ISIS”.

      You keep thinking in terms of “ISIS” being real. They aren’t real. that’s why they are always shown sitting atop Iraq military gear and all of them look like young Iraqi militia-men or soldiers. That’s what they are. Just extras in a PR photo shoot. that’s all they are. The narrative allows Obama to justify dropping weapons into Syria for our destabilization forces and conducting bombing runs on the legitimate uprising in Iraq. that’s it. that’s all they are.

    • ah, a new “unverified” video of “ISIS” “stoning a woman to death”… I guess the PR assets working with “ISIS” don’t think American women give a shit when men die either that or they decided to go with another demographic after the fake beheading videos.

      “The WorldPost could not independently corroborate the video’s authenticity.”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/21/islamic-state-stoning_n_6019950.html

      I guess that’ll make the brave “freedom fighters” of the PKK seem even more heroic, right? after all, according to the other reader, they are 33% female.

      • I understand ISIS is not real, I guess besides being used as photo-op’s I just always imagine they are also paying some party unaffiliated mercs . from all over the place who are loosely governed by trained mercs. who then successfully hide behind the monicker ISIS…

        The guy who claims that Turkey is allowing peshmerga weapons/fighters into Kobani, is turkey’s minister of foreign affairs who curiously assumed office just in august of this year by what can be considered as a small coup by fraudulent vote counting.
        According to the BBC Cavusoglu said:
        “We are allowing peshmerga forces to cross into Kobane..We have no wish at all to see Kobane fall (to jihadists),”

        Heres is a later BBC piece on the same subject:
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29685830

        ¨But there is a delicate political dance here. On Sunday, Turkey’s President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took his traditional tough line on the Kurdish militia in Syria, calling them “terrorists” and saying that they must not be armed by Turkey or the US.¨

        ¨Then Washington went ahead and did just that, dropping weapons to Kurdish fighters around Kobane, quite possibly with tacit Turkish approval during a phone call that took place between the two presidents.¨

        But you see, first of all the weapons were already in the peshmergas hands – simply flown from Iraq to syria – and they are constantly hiding this fact – why?
        second, the weapons were supplied by governments interested imo to whitewash former yugoslav committed crimes and who have not labeled the pkk a terrorist org.
        Of course it’s necessary on calling out the united states on arming what they themselves call terrorists which they did by doing the airdrop, but what they really are doing is advancing bombing raids.

        ¨US Central Command also confirmed six air strikes by the US-led coalition near Kobane over Sunday and Monday, as well as six in Iraq near Falluja and Baiji involving French and UK aircraft.¨ BBC

        The peshmerga going into Kobane are on a stupid suicide mission.
        And that’s why I think Turkey is quite ok with it.

  11. the Kurdish YPG allied with the Free Syrian Army to take Kobane to start with. Took if from the Syrian people, that is.

    The Syrian people who live in that area happen to be largely ethnic Kurdish. One might imagine that a Kurdish militia whose membership were from the area might have a significant degree of popular support, perhaps more so than the government army.

    There doesn’t seem to be any reason why serious leftists, of which I understand you are one, should have any commitment in principal to the maintenance of the borders of bourgeois nation-states. Especially when those borders were established after WW1 by British and French imperialism, without reference to the ethnic geography of the region.

    On the other hand, there is neither any reason why leftists should automatically support various ethnic nationalist movements in their attempts to acquire their own state. It rather depends on whether such movements fight FOR imperialism and its clients, as in Iraqi Kurdistan, or against it, as in Turkey.

    Which one of these categories the Syrian-Kurdish militias belong to, remains to be determined. Currently they’re engaged in fighting AGAINST the fascist terrorists sent by America, which seems to be a good sign.

    you’re going with the “empowering women” meme in support for our war on “ISIS”? Really? you think we’re that stupid?

    Like you, I don’t believe there is any American war against “ISIS”, because to the extent that it exists at all, it’s a CIA death squad serving the interests of imperialism.

    I do, however, admit to a certain degree of sympathy for popular militias which are fighting against the fascist terrorists sent by the CIA and Saudi Arabia.

    Your argument makes absolutely no sense. You’re suggesting maybe that the US government is backing a Hamas-type legitimate organization in their fight against the fictitious “ISIS”? Really? Is that your conclusion?

    That argument makes absolutely no sense, but it certainly isn’t mine. What I’m suggesting is that although the PKK IS “a Hamas-type legitimate organization” (not coincidentally, Hamas is also on the State Department terrorist list which you quoted above), the US government is not backing them in any real way. But they have to APPEAR to be doing so, in order for their fictional opposition to “ISIS” to retain any degree of plausibility.

    The US government also claims to be bombing “ISIS” inside Syria. But presumably you don’t take that story seriously? What makes you think their claims of support for the Syrian-Kurdish militia are any different?

    They tried their best to run a color revolution in Turkey not that long ago (or maybe you think that was a REAL revolution.. like Tarpley and “Cartalluci” see the al-Sisi “revolution” in Egypt?) and it failed.

    The US government can have a military coup d’etat in Turkey any time they want to. They’ve done it plenty of times before.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27925911

    (oops — I guess I’ve discredited myself again by referencing ANOTHER state propaganda agency)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Turkey

    Maybe this time it was just a warning?

    They even lobbed bombs into Turkey from Syria in an effort to get Turkey to join in on the onslaught.

    Well, somebody did. Maybe the Turkish military did it themselves. Did you consider that possibility?

    That didn’t work out either. Now, finally, the Turkish parliament passes this bit of legislation and you think what? They are pretending the PKK is there so they can attack Syria?

    They don’t have to “pretend” the PKK is there if they actually are. There’s no reason they can’t fight against the Kurds and the Syrian government at the same time.

    They claim “new documents” prove that the Turkish government is supporting “ISIS”

    I thought it was well-established that the Turkish government was supporting the CIA/Saudi terrorists attacking Syria. Isn’t that how they all got there in the first place?

    quoting Voice of America? no I somehow don’t think you got that right.

    I offered that reference in the context of establishing that the Turkish state has a long history of using its own Terror War as a pretext for suppressing domestic opposition. I don’t see how having done so discredits that claim, or any other that I made.

    the Peshmerga are definitely linked to Iraq’s corrupt puppet regime in many ways. They are effectively the CIA’s official “freedom fighters” in northern Iraq. THEY are the ones with many female fighters, by the way. Just for future reference.

    The RT article that I referenced discusses women fighters in the YPG, not the Peshmerga. I guess you could claim that they’re lying.

    that’ll make the brave “freedom fighters” of the PKK seem even more heroic, right? after all, according to the other reader, they are 33% female.

    It was the RT correspondent that made that claim. If you doubt it, perhaps you should take it up with her.

    I don’t know who’s doing what in Syria/Turkey/Iraq these days. And I don’t know what story to believe…

    Neither do I. But do you disagree with any of the following?

    — the Turkish regime is an American client. It would be hard to understand how they’re allowed to be a NATO member, if they weren’t.

    — the Baghdad regime is an American client, but, weirdly, is also somewhat dependent on Iran. (Perhaps this is one reason why “ISIS” has been sent to attack them? — it got al-Maliki demoted.)

    — “al Qaeda”/”ISIS” is a mercenary army operated by the CIA and the Saudis (and probably, also Israel) in the service of imperialism.

    but I do know that Turkey has refused as of late to allow the US to use it’s territories to ship in terrorists to Syria. That may or may not have changed with this latest bit of legislation.

    How do we know that? If they were OK with it before, what would have changed?

    But I do know, there isn’t a goddamned chance in hell that Obama is airdropping weapons to individuals that will use them against their destabilization forces in Syria. If that is your contention, then you are way way off base

    There also isn’t a chance in hell that they are dropping bombs on their destabilization forces in Syria, except as a show. (Presumably most of the Jihadis are too dumb to understand who they’re really fighting for?)

    But they have to CLAIM that they’re doing so, in order to prevent the Official Story from collapsing at free-fall speed.

    you forgot how the PKK just ambushed and killed a couple Turkish troops this past week. I guess they didn’t include that in your VOA piece.

    Oooh, the evil-doers attacked some soldiers of the fascist military of an American client regime. They really MUST be terrorists.

    And it’s not too hard to imagine why the VOA might not have mentioned that, under current circumstances. It does tend to undermine your theory that the PKK is now fighting FOR imperialism.

    ISIS doesn’t really exist. they are more of a propaganda campaign than they are a fighting force. My guess is, they airdropped weapons to the forces outside Kobani who are trying to take it, either FSA or the PKK or the peshmerga… I don’t know who they’re using.

    According to your theory, what exactly ARE the contending forces in Kobani? Or is the whole battle just fictional?

    ISIS is just an excuse… it’s a narrative, a pretext, to explain away how Obama is arming terrorists in Syria. He can’t possibly get away with claiming he has to arm these terrorists to unseat Assad.. so… “ISIS”.

    It’s been openly admitted for over a year that the US government is arming terrorists in Syria, in order to overthrow the Syrian government. They just voted to send them another half-billion dollars. They only just recently came up with the “ISIS” story; before that, they were getting away with it just fine. Where’s the secret?

    You keep thinking in terms of “ISIS” being real. They aren’t real. that’s why they are always shown sitting atop Iraq military gear and all of them look like young Iraqi militia-men or soldiers. That’s what they are. Just extras in a PR photo shoot. that’s all they are. The narrative allows Obama to justify dropping weapons into Syria for our destabilization forces and conducting bombing runs on the legitimate uprising in Iraq. that’s it. that’s all they are.

    You don’t dispute the reality of CIA/Saudi “terrorists” and “destabilization forces” in Syria. Is it really so hard to imagine that some of them are now operating in Iraq, for purposes best known to their puppetmasters in Langley, Virginia?

    SOMEBODY has demonstrated a certain degree of combat-effectiveness against the Syrian army. The fact that the videos we are shown of “ISIS” are, as you say, mostly or completely staged, doesn’t prove that somebody’s proxy army isn’t also fighting in Iraq. The Baghdad puppets don’t seem to be entirely reliable, especially as some of their strings seem to be connected to Tehran, rather than Washington.

    Perhaps there’s a backup plan? Perhaps it involves provoking even more inter-ethnic/sectarian conflict? That seems to have been the operational plan so far.

  12. My guess is, they airdropped weapons to the forces outside Kobani who are trying to take it, either FSA or the PKK or the peshmerga… I don’t know who they’re using. they did say the dropped the munitions OUTSIDE the city… well, if you read Iranian or Syrian news they talk about the city being under seige from OUTSIDE the city.

    And it now seems that the supplies have been delivered to the intended recipients. Who are indeed outside the city, trying to get in.

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/10/21/383087/video-shows-us-arms-in-hands-of-isil/

    Funny how that worked out.

  13. Islamic State has published a new video in which a jihadist shows off brand-new American hardware, which was purportedly intended for the Kurds they are fighting in the Syrian border town of Kobani.

    The undated video, posted by the unofficial IS mouthpiece “a3maq news”, sees a jihadist showing several boxes of munitions with English-language markings, with a parachute spread out on the ground beside.

    Although it is unclear what was the bundle shown in the video, the militant explains that “this is some of the military equipment that was dropped by American forces.”

    “These are the bombs that the American forces dropped for the Kurdish parties,” he says. “They are spoils of war for the Mujahedeen.”

    The latest weapons claimed by the Islamic State militants will add to the vast arsenal of US weaponry that IS seized in Iraq in a sudden sweep in June. IS launched its offensive on Kobani on September 16 sparking a massive exodus of some 200,000 refugees into Turkey and worldwide protests of Kurds and their supporters.

    http://rt.com/news/197988-isis-us-weapons-video/

    • ¨Islamic State has published a new video in which a jihadist shows off brand-new American hardware,¨

      Nope, it’s German hardware and it’s not even from the cache that the Germans delivered to the KRP – its older grenades and so far it’s a mystery where this stuff has been coming from..

      I don’t know what’s going on in Kobani, many would mostly agree with your latest reply to Scott – I am increasingly thinking this whole Town has become a distraction really.
      I have seen pictures of 10’000’s of german Kurds demonstrating with banners reading:
      Stop ISIS, Free Abdullah Öcalan..
      They have certainly got their agenda, but as I said (?)
      Here is a video from press TV – who’ve got their agenda : )

      • That did not work – let’s try once more:

        If this does not work, type in to YT: Nazemroaya: Crushing Kobani’s Kurds is a Prerequisite to an Invasion of Syria

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