So What Color is the Turkish “Revolution”? The Red Revolution™? The Crimson Revolution™?

by Scott Creighton

Yes folks, it looks like the uprising in Turkey is being directed and marketed from abroad. Hell, they’re taking out ads in the New York Times.

So what should the product logo be? The Red Revolution™ or the Crimson Revolution™ representing Turkey’s flag?

What kind of revolutionaries start scrapping for their very lives against a tyrannical government and have the where-with-all to start thinking about marketing it to the people of a foreign country?

I thought they were pissed about how Turkey was in bed with the U.S. with regard to our terrorists in Syria. And they take out an ad in the New York Times looking for support from us? Hmmm……

“A crowd-funding campaign has raised over $55,000 in under 24 hours to help pay for a full-page ad in the New York Times calling for democratic action and new dialogue on Turkey.

The Indigogo campaign – “Full Page Ad for Turkish Democracy in Action: OccupyGezi for the World” – called on contributors to raise a stated goal of $53,800, and asks people to “wake up”. The campaign has 1,344 backers so far.

“We want the world to hear from Turks themselves about what’s happening in Turkey,” reads a campaign mission statement. “We want the world to support us as we push for true democracy in our country.” Guardian

When the world is run by PR and marketing guys, they think they are clever enough to sell another color revolution the same way they sell a lawn mower.

If certain factions weren’t at least partially behind this latest uprising in Turkey then the New York Times certainly wouldn’t accept a full page ad for the cause. Try taking out one exposing the illegality of the settlements in the West Bank and you’ll see what I mean.

Yesterday I asked some questions about the timing of this new revolution and pointed out who stands to benefit. But for the most part, I was kinda on the fence as too whether or not it was legit. Today, there are several reports in the MSM that make me think it’s being “handled” and manipulated like the Green Revolution in Iran or the “uprising” in Russia a couple years back. This article on the marketing campaign behind it cinched the deal for me.

47 Responses

  1. Don’t think the “Red Revolution” would work. Sounds too socialistic or “commie,” you’d end up scaring people in the West. Crimson might work, or Mauve, but no one knows what Mauve is.

  2. I think a much better name would be the Distraction From Some Bad Shit While Repeating The Same Crap We’ve Been Doing For Decades Revolution!

  3. don’t question the sincerity of many of the fresh-faced kids out there demonstrating, but I guess I have lived too long and seen too much. The events in Turkey remind me a lot of events in Egypt. That didn’t work out very well, did it? Instead of Mubarak you now have something worse, a NATO-backed Islamist dictator more repressive and more subservient to Western imperialism than Mubarak. The Muslim Brotherhood was originally created by the British and it was and is a tool of Anglo-American imperialism, just as the Empire also created “Al Qaeda” and trains, organizes and funds Islamist militants to destabilize governments all over Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Now it appears that they are unhappy with Erdogan, and want to replace him with something worse too. Why I don’t know, since it is hard to think of how Erdogan could be more subservient than he is.

  4. […] 1) Turkish protestors decide to raise $55,000 for a full page ad in the New York Times? Huh? As Scott Creighton points out: […]

  5. Sir, you are getting it completely wrong in relation to the NYT ad. One of the main reasons of these protests is the government controlled media that does not report objectively and/or have a critical stand when it is required. As a matter of fact, most of the TV stations hardly reported the demonstrations till the 5th day. The ad is mainly funded by Americans and American Turks who are disturbed by the escalating situation as well as continuous attempts on the part of the government to restrict freedom of speech and exclude any opposition from daily political discourse. The idea behind the ad is to put pressure on the US executive and legislative organs in through its relationship with Turkish government. I would not know whether NYT makes decision to publish ads of this nature by some criteria- I would suspect so.In any case and I am guessing here they would agree to publish at least on behalf of all those journalists that have been harassed and imprisoned by the AKP government.

    • oooo… the evil “AKP government”. we’re already using the same little phrases they used in Libya and Syria huh? nice. and you say it’s funded by American Turks? What a coincidence… the exiled Libyan busiess firsters and the exiled Syrian business firsters were behind those color revolutions as well weren’t they? Same holds true with the Green Revolution in Iran and the efforts a couple years ago in Russia.

      The original protests were against the neoliberalization of Turkey; what has already happened and what is expected to happen and they were gaining traction, not directed toward removing AKP, but rather convincing them to move back toward the left a bit.

      but the far right hijacked it

      Now here you come demonizing the AKP and basically saying wealthy Turks are funding the ad in the Times.

      Basically, you’ve help me make my point, haven’t you

      • Nope, I am not making your point for you at all. Of course, if you prefer to insist that you are always right, even the deepest background knowledge would not let you to change your conviction that there is a conspiracy. What I am trying to do is to give some background in this ad discussion, again you are more than free to draw your conclusions. None of the supporters are asking for any intervention on the part of the US, other than reminding their counterparts in Turkey that if Turkey is a democracy, the prime minister act like he is the PM of the whole country not try to push down people’s throat all his choices and moral values. And if you are comparing all these events to what is happening in Syria, Libya etc. for that matter, you are well above your head and are not knowledgable enough about Turkey, no offense. Turkey has a much longer history of democracy compared to all of these countries and in a way, these events are showing the climax of resistance to a Muslim brotherhood agenda that arrived 10 years later to other Mideast countries. In that sense, it is not a red, purple, pink or spring or autumn revolution, as you seem to phrase. It is basically about the demands of rising middle class. I could go on and on but do not want to bore you with “details”. In any case, I highly suggest that you stop using left-right terminology, it simply does not work in this context. The protests were all about the PM’s attitude, whether to protest this makes you a far right (no!), secular(likely!), far left(yes!), proKurdish(may be!), green( definitely!), supporter of AKP (not likely!), anti-capitalist Muslim(yes!), supporter of CHP( likely!), anarcho-sydncalist(yes!). You could draw your conclusions now…

        • You mean to tell me that all of a sudden, because Erdogan’s ELECTED government puts forward a few laws about restricting the times when alcohol and be sold and loosening restrictions on women wearing head-scarves, now the people of Turkey are ready to rise up and topple his regime, demanding he resign, which they are doing in these protests… all over a couple little variations to some laws? Wow. Doesn’t take much to piss off the Turks does it?

          Or, is it more likely that those few little laws are being used as the cover narrative to a destabilization campaign that is retaliation for things like:

          1. arresting and exposing our terrorists with sarin gas?

          2. arresting and exposing our terrorists who set off car bombs in Turkey to blame Assad?

          3. cutting a deal with the PKK and nearing completion of that deal by the end of this month?

          4. recently stating in public that no deal in Syria could be reached without the inclusion of Iran and Russia at the negotiating table?

          We already know for a fact that many of the original protesters from the park are saying that their protest was hijacked by far right forces of the CHP, groups looking to oust Erdogan and his majority in Parliament in order to move the nation further still to the right. We know that. It is a fact.

          We also know that our military runs destabilization campaigns in various ways, one of which is through NGOs like the National Endowment for Democracy which spreads anything but democracy through fake uprisings many of which have failed in the past. “color revolutions” are their stock in trade. That is no “conspiracy” that is a fact.

          Libya and Syria both, say what you will, were both democracies. Contrary to popular opinion, Libya held elections, had a bi-cameral congress, and wasn’t run by a dictator, for the record. So you’re wrong there as well.

  6. Om6634…. Turkey’s experience or inexperience in democracy is not very relevant. If we were to take that approach, US has a much longer history in Democracy, and the same exact games are being played here in the US, and almost all other countries for that matter. It just takes a bit more to make the US citizens get really really angry… Angry enough to pour onto the streets…

    This is not a political project. It is social engineering at its best (and worst) where masses are made to believe in half-truths to energize some movement or another and pass the baton to highly compromised groups. Endgame is to prevent nations, peoples and governments to create any kind of unity within their borders… Destabilization is the game… And will go on in perpetuity as long as there are people left in the world who identify themselves as “US” and the others as “THEM”

    Out of curiosity… Are you from Turkey?

    • Yes, Istanbul born American from Miami Beach. I agree with you all that destabilization campaigns are possible and definitely utilized. Turkish history is an example. And there are two buts in this case:
      1) this whole discussions started with the above claim that the fact that some Turks or American Turks were putting an ad on NYT and that the fact that they were doing this was a sign for some sort of US based conspiracy. From my experience, because I am one of those who contributed financially and contributed to draft versions of what is to be included and excluded from the ad, I did not sense anyone pushing anyone to say anything, the differences among the contributors are somewhat esthetic- graphic or about how much we should be controversial with the current gov. This was all done by three different voting cycles to select which version will be final and it is still a work in progress. As far as we are concerned, the process has been very democratic. Then again, if someone out there is trying to manipulate the heartfelt reaction of those Turks and Kurds who follow the events 6,000 miles away thru tweets and FB posts, I would not know or I am not aware of ( for the sake of logical consistency, I should also add that thee is another alternative: I am one of the manipulators:) but that I would leave it to you. In any case, if I were a manipulator I am definitely not good cause’ can’t seem to convince you guys:)
      2) as for any kinda destabilization attempt from external force, I do not find it logical, save Assad. In fact, thee have been claims of foreign elements including an Iranian in the crowd, who got arrested but no one was able to be find anything to accuse him with anything. What has been happening in Turkey is not really a very efficient destabilization program either, since it will clearly not result in politically overthrowing anyone ( because of voting patterns). It is really a transition, or a call for a transition from representative democracy to participatory democracy since so far, there has been only a rep. democracy with a very authoritarian tone with a PM convince that since he is elected he could overlook the demands of the Reston the population and do whatever he pleases and in the due process also causes the mass media to auto censor ( if not, as you might know, they throw journalists in prison when they are disobedient:)

      Anyways, I am sorry to take all of your time but to give you an example 1/4 of what has been written here couldn’t have been written anywhere in Turkey because of the Chinese type censor. People are afraid there. So what is wrong with asking freedom of expression ? And why this innocent demand should always be manipulated by powers beyond us? Hopefully, at least, in the short run, it will free of any outside intervention. In the midterm, I am not hopeful, there I could agree with you. And in the long run, as Keynes once said, we are all dead.

      • Om66… Thank you for your reply.Same here… Born and raised in Istanbul, in New York for 25 years… I appreciate both Brian’s and your commentary, analysis and insights.

        When I first got a whiff of what was going down at the park through text messages from friends (more like friends’ kids), Facebook seemed to be the obvious place where I can make contact with anyone and everyone, and watch a stream of reliable personal reporting…

        The very first thing hard not to notice was that this was definitely a Facebook/twitter revolution at its very beginning. The hi-tech, well connected new, westernized, world citizen young Turks were quick to organize, quick to spread the word, quick to react. A tweet based resistance force took shape very quickly, and it became such a core part of the protests and the defiance to police brutality, that one of the main worries of the movement was that Erdogan might have the phone service or the Internet shut down.

        Second social observation was that this crowd, from early on, had considerable knowledge and awareness of the events in tahrir square, and they went out of their way to decry any comparison whatsoever… The similarity of the names aside, the ebb and flow of events were very similar as well as the actors of the the opening scene.

        The underlying sentiment was a sense of defensive “otherness” they felt with Libyans or Egyptians… A sense of intellectual superiority which allowed them to believe they would not fall for the same traps. After all, it seemed like ALL of the people were genuine, frustrated, and resentful Turkish citizens who just wanted a better life and a better future.

        As someone from there, I will not deny having somewhat shared this sentiment at an emotional level. But, whenever I feel any such false hope, all I need to do to snap out of it is to say “pipelines” three times… 😉

        When one zooms out a little from the specifics of the events, a sophisticated ballet of maneuvers start to appear. Looks almost choreographed…

        But it’s not choreographed!!! It is more like an automaton put in motion… a machine that was carefully, relentlessly, mercilessly, intricately, and oh so masterfully built in the past 20-30 years starting the blueprint of which gets perfected each time it’s put to use… It heavily relies on the predictability of human behavior, especially ones that have been primed with subtle but constant bombardment of roughly the same kind of scientifically designed and injected propaganda and bull crap that we are subjected to here as well.. And it relies on the key players put in place to regulate pace and intensity, as well as the timing of key trigger events, while the now-experienced tweet-herders help dial things up or down…

        Although the principles of it are always the same, the depth and sophistication of breaking and controlling countries has become so great that the word Gladio is no longer doing it justice… That word feels so 20th century now…

        Irrespective of who’s doing what in turkey right now, after this past week, during which erdogan was almost comically “out of the country” the unity of its people whithin its borders, is now officially broken in half… Perhaps permanently.

        There’s gotta be an endgame to all this in the very short term. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense… Why would a seasoned politician like Erdogan, a year before the elections and during the run up to the new constitution, with his his aspirations for presidency, etc. allow the whole world to observe his government’s brutal and disproportionate treatment of peaceful protesters, which could only embolden the opposition???? In many towns that did not have mayors or governors from AKP, the public and the police did not clash at all in spite of massive protests… It wold be wrong to assume simple (and local) “police brutality”, they were clearly orders from the top, this was premeditated and it had a purpose within the script, which I’m not smart enough to decipher… We’ll just watch the compromised ma. Slowly build their narrative and characters to emerge to see cui bono…

        (Somehow we haven’t heard from our fellow Turkish American Fethullah chime in on all this.)

        • Pipelines, Pipelines, Pipelines is a safe mantra to help understand things these days.
          Do you know anything concerning the LNG versus Oil debate in Turkey?
          Well researching Önder, I found out that he is involved with many leftwing publishing companies and beyond that is very close to Ece Temelkuran:ırrı-Süreyya-Önder-ve-Ece-Temelkuran/271025023005756
          Temelkuran is a famous journalist involved with the newspaper Milliyet who is owned by the Demirören Group one of the biggest ventures in the LPG sector and owns Milangaz, Likidgaz and Mutfakgaz.
          ¨The company is currently working on how to enter the oil market.¨ Milangaz in 2008 (Is Önder still a devoted environmentalist…?)
          I am really not knowledgeable enough about the pipeline issue and how it might tie in with the protests – my focus is more on Önder obviously and his various connections (wish I knew the turkish language and if I am wasting my time on him : ))
          ehhm, this is a bit of scrambled reply… forgive if I post it anyway.

          • Brian, I find your focus on Ōnder quite interesting, but have not had a chance to look in to him just yet. He certainly fits the bill from your descriptions… Let me know if you need linguistic help with anything specific. I can try to help you out with some translation…

            • Thanks for offering Lilaleo.
              I would not come to conclusions about Önder, but for now I am satisfied with what I have seen.
              It looks like Önder is a smart politician involved in a publicity stunt – good for him. He is probably doing His best for the movement and for himself.
              Önder was tasked to investigate the events in Taksim Gezi Park
              by the Istanbul Governers Office and to provide information to the (Chief) Inspector.
              Asked if one Inspector would be enough by media, Önder replied yes, because everybody has seen everything anyway.
              The only ones who came out today suspecting Önder had foreknowledge, where the Grey Wolves of the MHP and I am not about to share a boat with them : )

        • Btw. Gladio is the name given to the ¨stay behind network¨ solely in and of Italy. In Turkey the branch would have been called ¨Counter Guerrilla¨.
          As a side note to the above reply, Mehmet Ali Ağca who is considered part of the branch, murdered Abdi İpekçi, editor of the major Turkish newspaper Milliyet – in the 20th century.
          But, make no mistake ¨stay behind¨ does not only mean they are staying behind, but that they were meant to stay period. There is a lot written to that effect – the name(s) would have changed by now, but the objective and the basic players stay the same.

          • “Gladio is the name given to the ¨stay behind network¨ solely in and of Italy”

            not really. Bombings in Spain were also part of Gladio. It started in Italy, hence the name, but it spread throughout Europe and though various cells were given different operational titles, it was still under the same general operation name Gladio.

          • Well, that might have been true at some point in history, but it has since become a franchise… Just like the CIA has now become a franchise spread around the globe in to other countries’ intelligence agencies.

            But I do agree that gladio has become a shortcut word and a misnomer… The stay behinds are no longer stay behinds, since they have now germinated the local soil and have produced compartmentalized homegrown agents of change and destabilization.

            • “stay behind” is a reference to the first group that did it… the Nazis. To them, yes, it was a “stay behind” force. when we adopted the process ourselves to guard against various countries turning “too far” to the left after being liberated from the Nazis, they weren’t really “stay behind” forces meaning they weren’t completely comprised of Brits and Americans. They were, to start with, exactly what you just said…. “compartmentalized homegrown agents of change and destabilization”, which by the way is exactly what we use in our “unconventional warfare” operations, if there is enough of them. Otherwise we import mercenary talent.

              the reason I keep using “Gladio” is so people will look it up and understand that this is NOT NEW and in fact it is a continuation of the “business as usual” open warfare on the left. It’s been going on since WWII and since the first “red scare” in the early 1900s and since the late 1800s in fact. In fact, it’s really been going on since Magna Carta was signed, but who’s counting?

              this is nothing new. Gladio is still up and running. It never stopped, not really.

              [edit] oh yeah… and since the Business Plot of 1934 when they tried to hire Smedley Butler to run a military coup against FDR and even kill him in response to the New Deal. That’s a biggie actually. sorry I forgot that one.

        • “Although the principles of it are always the same, the depth and sophistication of breaking and controlling countries has become so great that the word Gladio is no longer doing it justice”

          absolutely right. now it’s just “business”

        • ” Why would a seasoned politician like Erdogan, a year before the elections and during the run up to the new constitution, with his his aspirations for presidency, etc. allow the whole world to observe his government’s brutal and disproportionate treatment of peaceful protesters,…”

          You know there is another possibility, right? Perhaps Erdogan doesn’t have absolute control over every little thing that happens in Turkey and a group of people who make decisions a little down the line did it knowing it would make Erdogan and the ruling party look bad. Wouldn’t be the first time, would it? And maybe Erdogan was advised to get out of the country in order to buy him a little plausible dependability when his advisers figured this out.

          • Absolutely!!! Since this discussion was going towards “who is protesting whom” and who are the driving forces, I was simply pointing out (or at least trying) to show the nonsensical, oversimplified paradigm and false narrative that was quickly structured within the first few days of the protests… Erdogan was the boogeyman, against the young and innocent protesters…. He was always a tool, and will remain so regardless of the outcome….

            The same forces that catapulted him on to the political scene by romantically jailing him for a “poem” he had written and recited publicly, are the very forces that have decided that it was time to move on and shake things up a little. And, as always, these types of operations do not go well unless both sides are controlled… This episode will give birth to many new names, and we need to watch here characters ad their connections, like Önder that Brian is looking in to… Not to mention all the Malalas, and false flag incidents that will certainly appear on stage to start steering the newly energized masses towards a new reality…. All the while, making the masses believe they are acting of their own accord.

  7. Thank you for your response, I believe this exchange is a learning protest. You seem to be emphasizing the international context ( and the extraTurkish actors) and I have been saying that the basic reason lies within the complex dynamics of domestic politics. Now, I can not verify or falsify some of these claims you are making above. However, my feeling is that Obama himself is against intervention in Syria despite his advisors in DoD and SD. I will just look at the differnet scenarios. If CIA is trying to push Erdogan into an intervention in Syria by blowing bombs or cooking Sarin gas ( wouldnt even know if you cook that:) within the borders of the Republic of Turkey, it seems very unlikely, in my opinion. The US knows perfectly well that Turkish army can not pull off an operation like that given antiaircraft missiles and Syrian air defense ( and what they have been ordering in addition from Russia). That leaves us either the Qataris or the Saudis that would have such motive but then again they are at the same side of the picket line with Turkey and I am sure they are coordinating. So what would they gain from pushing a Turkish government who takes them as interlocutors.

    Again, despite the slogans thrown for the resignation of the PM, everybody knows that there would not be enough votes in the Grand National Assembly to cause him any political trouble. He has got 323 deputies ( 3 short of changing the constitution on his own, if I am not wrong). So he is not going anywhere. That is a known fact. He was trying to push his Presidentialist agenda( by changing the constitution) by gaining the votes of pro Kurdish deputies, with his peace offering. That is to be seen, nevertheless, again the process of this peace offer where still no publicly declared conditions are accessible cause’ they were done behind closed doors and secret services, is exactly one of the factors for which regular citizens feel left out. In Izmir, 39 youngsters ( age 18-19) are arrested for instigating rebellion today, all they did was tweeting pics and location of riot police. In which democracy, this could happen?

    My impression is that this is all about an arrogant government using a military intervention created constitution from 80s, which is designed to suppress freedom of expression by all means ( and hereby, I am attempting to reply your claim that the public was only reacting to a couple of laws passed in the last couple of days, like that regarding alcohol etc).The laws to suppress were readily available when they came to power but lately AKP seems to be very much inclined in enforcing them. So, this whole protest is like a tipping point. I really do not know how any foreign agency would have brought this kinda reaction in such a limited timeframe. Still, I do not claim to know everything either ( and really wouldn’t want to cause’ would make me really brain lazy:)

    • Thank you om6634 for staying on and further explaining your point.
      What you are stating makes some sense to me. You are saying that the ad in question was made with the backing of at least some of the original protesters from Gezi park – is that right? As far as I can tell from abroad it looks that way…
      It also looks that the issues raised at Gezi, that those intentions are having some success: and that the motivators are so far quite pleased with the outcome of the protests, while being at the same time alert that various factions would have an interest in hijacking what has become a successful peoples movement by creating fake twitter accounts by example in the name of celebrities stating this or that or by what Abant Platform has said: “We see the efforts to reflect what is happening in Turkey as Turkish Spring abroad as a deliberate distortion and misleading”
      Perhaps translating this:
      would also help furthering your point om6634
      Although I am not sure where these protests are heading in the future, so far it looks to me like the turks have staged a bumpy but mostly successful protest.

      Somewhere else here I have been very suspicious of the BDP’s Secret Leader Shuresh/Sırrı Süreyya Önder, now it looks to me his actions were a great inspiration to what followed, my question to you: would his presence at Gezi have been looked at as provocative, how much influence is he having on the movement?
      Is Önder in a good position, because Erdogan does not want to hurt the ¨peace offerings¨ to the Kurds which Önder helped negotiate?
      Are the Kurds themselves gaining anything from the protests…?

      Are the Turks aware of the potentially duplicitous nature of ¨Anonymous¨?

      • Well, you seem to be very much informed, Brian. I completely agree this whole could be hijacked relatively easily, given that there are really hardcore Leninist, Maoist groups who still see the whole process as a revival of 70s, where there were literally neighborhoods of Istanbul that the police couldn’t even enter. It would just take couple of false flag operations to channel it in a completely new direction. You also need to note that people are joining the protest in different cities for local reasons, but that is expected, I guess. Nevertheless, in the 70s, anything like this would have resulted in hundred of deads if not thousands. Mind you, it is not only the Police harshness that is the main determinant in those cases but existence of communist armed struggle vs. nationalist armed groups situations. Here, the whole think seems very pacific in comparison.

        I agree with you that Sirri Sureyya Onder’s words and actions during the beginning of the protests were very inspiring and also very courageous. All of sudden, at least, in my opinion, Kurdish movement took advantage of the situation to show that they are on the same side with Turks that are complaining about the PM. But it will take also lot of “convincing” to actually build bridges between the secular and Kurds for historical reasons. As a big obstacle to such rapprochement there is a that very rigid interpretation of nationalist group within the People’s Republican Party ( Founded by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk ) about what it means to be a Turk (especially with regards to ethnicity). On the other hand BDP would be hard pressed to risk their deal with the PM for the Kurdish opening. Erdogan allegedly promised them rights in return for their votes in the Parliament to change the constitution and bring some form of presidency system, that would result with him taking that post. The details of this deal are not publicly available. It is my opinion that this whole protest could end up tarnishing his image within his party too since he was always seen as a type of Thatcher-who gets whatever he decides despite the opposition, almost to the level arrogance and cockiness. The solution for the AKP would be to start a more democratic process within the party and get away from the one man show. The further they go down that path further Erdogan would be away from his presidency project. Also because there are other factions in the party like that of Fetullah Gulen ( who is exile in PA, but very powerful base with a Jesuit like discipline in Turkey and elsewhere, also known to have considerable influence over the police and critical apparatus of the Turkish State)

        I am sorry for the long digression but it is very hard to explain in simple terms what is exactly going on in there without at least, some perspective on the major actors.

        I could imagine the potentially duplicitous nature of “anonymous” but I am not sure if the Turks are aware of it. Needless to say that, Turkish polity is very paranoid, it is a historical legacy of the disintegration of Ottoman Empire and IWW. Mainly their paranoia is focused on omnipresent and omniscient Americans:) who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

      • “As far as I can tell from abroad it looks that way”

        Abroad? it was started by three people here in the states. they claim the wording of it came from suggestions made by donors. The original protest was over… the park had been won long before this ad was placed.

        • Ok, that would be the origin of # OCCUPYGEZY ? Already started on or before June1st – do you know who these 3 are? Anyway makes sense.

      • “Are the Turks aware of the potentially duplicitous nature of ¨Anonymous¨?”

        duplicitous? they’re the NSA. since when is the NSA “duplicitous”? you want to know what anonymous is and how they were able to break into the encrypted files of the Turkish government?

        read this

        that’s anonymous

        • If you are patently NSA, but at the same time wearing a mask and calling yourself Anonymous – that is duplicitous.
          But since you are showing me that link, I should have refrained at least from the word ¨potentially¨.

      • “Are the Kurds themselves gaining anything from the protests…?”

        you should check out Stratfor’s interpretation of all of this. I saw a video “news” segment they put together on the subject on the Huffington Post of all places. They claim, yes, Erdogan was reaching a deal with the PKK and yes, they were withdrawing fighters back into Iraq… but somehow they come to the conclusion that the Kurds themselves started all of this in order to put pressure and him to make a deal faster…. and that they attacked a Turkish military post as well… seems like they can’t seem to keep their line straight over at Stratfor.

        • That is why the Secret Leader Shuresh caught my attention.
          Right now Önder can pride himself with the successes of the original protests – I should have asked om6634 what the likelihood of Önder being there was, since he is a busy man and definitely part of other issues at the time…
          It was Önder, who by overt action saved the trees, made it into an ¨environmental issue¨ and perhaps made sure to deflect from neoliberal but specifically from Syrian issues. Önder is directly negotiating with Erdogan (behind closed doors also) on behalf of the ¨original¨ movement. Önder, says it would not be his style to give advice to the protesters to refrain from violence, but says he hopes that the protests would take on a more festive nature.
          The BDP is an interesting party…
          But for lack of time on my part let me draw a huge circle:

          but maybe this should come first:

          ¨The support would be covert and might be done in ways,¨ John Pike, director of
          I know how huge the circle is, but to me Önder remains suspicious even tough he might be legit… Let’s see how things develop.

          • Briefly, I am not arguing that the US does not have any covert operations with regards to PKK, PJAK etc. the relation was established to use it against Iran, or even in Turkey to manipulate. But in order for you guys to come to the conclusion that this whole thing in Turkey is to topple Erdogan who is staunchly proAmerican, you need to demonstrate who will be the next one to grab the power ( and another condition is more proAmerican than Erdogan) Gül ? Arinc? How on earth they will get the full support within the AKP? Erdogan controls the party and that is exactly the reason why some many people in and outside of the party are angry with his power grab.

            Btw, John Pike article is from 2008, as you might know the Turks pushed it and Americans yielded about the PKK later. This is very clear also from the stand that the Iraqi Kurdistan is taking in regards to the PKK vis-a-vis Turkey.

            And lastly, you could play with information as much as you want as if they were pool balls. This overall attempt at one-size-fits-all or I have the only key to explain the World events, I am sorry to say, would not sell. I am a student of social sciences in general and if there were any theories to explain all, I would like to know. Philosophically, what is being proposed here amounts to knowing everything in the universe at the current time and that is simply not possible ( given today’s technology) That will be the only way to manipulate every single thing on Earth. Ergo, there might be cases that are not manipulated or manipulated unsuccessfully.

            At the same time and along the same lines: there is an underlying assumption about the US power, that it is omniscient and omnipresent. That is simply not the case, and in all these threats I see a subconscious desire that the US power was omniscient and omnipresent so that we could explain things away.

            Brian, my response was not particularly addressed to you but I took the liberty to digress.

            • there are many cases where situations weren’t manipulated successfully. Syria is one going on now. The so-called Green Revolution in Iran, the fake resistance movement in Russia was another… Sudan for example. the list goes on and on.

              “Erdogan who is staunchly proAmerican”

              sure, he signed up with them for a while, but it seems like recently he and his government may have had a change of heart. From statements about Iran and Russia being needed to have a successful negotiated peace in Syria, to Turkish authorities arresting NATO mercenaries with sarin gas in Turkey… it certainly seems Erdogan may not be so staunchly proAmerican” as you claim.

              As to who replaces him after the military coup justified by the color revolution? Best guess would be the CIA’s multimillionaire businessman living in self-imposed exile, Fethullah Gulen.

            • cat got your tongue?

              here, read this… the working class still supports Erdogan, they just want him to stop being so aligned with the West. and it seems their real problem is with the elements within the protest that acted like agent provocateurs or more specifically, destabilization agents.

              “Remzi Kibar, a feisty mother of five whose patterned head scarf wrapped snugly around her head, placed the blame squarely on the protesters.

              “I’m angry at them for breaking windows and vandalizing things and I’m just overall angry,” she said. “If you have something to say you can sit down and talk it out.”

              Although the demonstrators have remained largely peaceful, some have broken windows of businesses seen to be associated with the government, and the area around Taksim Square is now covered in spray-painted antigovernment graffiti.”


            • Scott, I am with you on the Fethullah angle as i mentioned in a previous post. In the face of a week long gas-fest, his and his supporters’ silence could be an actor’s offstage presence waiting for his cue when the right conditions are established. He and his organization was specifically prepared and nourished and plumped up for just such a color revolution.

              I am just not entirely sure if he could personally be this replacement-in-waiting since, in spite of his silence, he is a polarizing figure between the seculars and the islamists. He might have a so called “prince” who has been groomed for this post which might have a better chance to fool the not-so-religios crowds… But, at the same time, if the world trend to push Muslim countries backwards is any sign, his powers over the spiritual and political establishments and his connections with the CIA definitely make him a perfect candidate for this kinda “regime change”.

              • you may be correct. his organization may have someone in mind to install, but I have heard insider reports saying he is in poor health. I doubt the powers that be would waste their one shot at “stability” putting a sickly leader in power.

    • Oh, one more question: why does the movement seem mostly content with the media calling this an ¨environmental protest¨ while the park protests could just as well have been the bridge protests, why not call it what it is, an anti neoliberal protest?

      • I am pretty sure that there is quite a few in the crowd that defines it anti-neoliberal. The terminology is sort of awkward in Turkish, they are finally coming to grips with their liberals, the neo part is more a Western reality for Turks and Kurds. Everybody knows that it is not about the trees, or the park or Istanbul. A lot of people attributes a lot of things to this movement, it seems like they know what they do not want but not so much what they want as a compact group. The main focus is the hatred of Erdogan, a more mature version mentions freedom of expression ( that sort of connects the Turks and Kurds) but there are anti capitalist, ecological versions too

        • “I am pretty sure that there is quite a few in the crowd that defines it anti-neoliberal. ”

          you’re pretty sure, huh? i’m possitive they did. well, the first ones did, the real protesters did. the fake ones afterward called it “envirnmental” because they can’t bring themselves to utter the word neoliberalism because they themselves are neoliberals.

        • “The main focus is the hatred of Erdogan”

          ah “regime change”. got it. yeah, no color revolution has ever happened with regime change as the main goal. i don’t know what I was thinking.

  8. […] 1) Turkish protestors decide to raise $55,000 for a full page ad in the New York Times? Huh? As Scott Creighton points out: […]

  9. In a year from now we will probably read articles titled:

    “The hijacking of an Istanbul park-protest by the coloureds”

  10. I would’ve picked ‘Scarlet’. But really no matter what color your pony is, they’re ready to saddle-up and ride.

  11. There’s an aspect to the islamification of the previously secular Muslim nations that seldom gets any attention… And that s the issue of the caliphacy…

    As you may know, following their independence war, when the young Turkish Republic went through Atatürk’s cultural revolution, caliphacy, which had been in the hands of the ottomans for centuries, was abolished along with the monarchy, which, in my opinion, created a vacuum in the Muslim world, and has resulted in philosophical and religious disintegration in the absence of a high office to act as a guide, as well as a binding agent for the masses. And, from a political,point of view, as the world was already being swept by nationalist winds of change, the abolishment certainly served the purposes of the west, which preferred a divided Muslim world for easier manipulation.

    Fast forward about a hundred years, and we see the west (which obviously includes Israel in this context) manipulating the political landscape to actually promote fundamentalist Muslim views, which, once again, in the absence of a cohesive philosophy, tended to take the color of the local cultures which may or may not have the sophistication required to bring the religion in to the 21st century landscape.

    The long term end game for the west seems to destabilize the whole region and install as many fundamentalist governments as possible and hope to incite a grand sectarian war between Sunnis and Shias… And have them annihilate each other.

    While nobody is actually screaming to get it back just yet, the question of what exactly is the status of the post of he caliph is now back on the agenda as the Erdogan government has openly set out to do away with the Turkish Republic as we know it. A new constitution, a new government structure, a new flag, and a semi dictatorial president Erdogan are all in the works. The language of the Turkish constitution and laws that were passed at the time are scrutinized, and it seems like the nascent Turkish Republic had not abolished the post itself, but the caliph himself, using a slightly ambiguous language which essentially says that there is no longer a need for a caliph. This aspect seems to give the Muslims, as well as the western manipulators great hope that once the Turkish constitution is rewritten and accepted, with a few additional maneuvers to create the context for such a move, the post can be reinstated, and the Sunni Muslims can be reunited against the contentious Shia populations. A war with a caliph, better than one without.

    I believe Fethullah and his organization’s primary long term purpose is such a long term grand plan in addition to his grip over the current spiritual and political landscape of Turkey.

    Time shall reveal…

  12. My English is not as good as other readers, it’s not my native tongue but yet I’ll try to explain my opinions as a Turkish citizen.

    The below quotes belong you:

    1) “That was before various groups hijacked the protest and turned it into a regime change action”

    2)”oooo… the evil “AKP government”. we’re already using the same little phrases they used in Libya and Syria huh?”

    3)”The original protests were against the neoliberalization of Turkey”
    “Erdogan reaching a deal with pkk”

    You are completely wrong and don’t know anything about the situation in Turkey.

    1) Turkish protestors doesn’t want a regime change. On the contrary, Tayyip Erdogan and his government, his ministers, the religious group (Fethullah Gulen’s followers) who seized all state establishments, universities etc. want a regime change.

    Turkish protestors want to stop Erdogan to change modern Turkish republic into an Islamic republic.

    2) Yes, evil phrase is used for both Kaddafi and Esat.
    But by whom? Who used evil phrase? Libyan people? Syrian people?

    No. USA and USA backed militia and USA backed Muslim Brotherhood used ‘evil’ phrase. Not the real Libyan people or Syrian people because they loved Kaddafi and they love Esat.

    I mean the USA presidents call a PM as ‘evil’ if he is NOT their puppet.
    Why don’t USA presidents (Bush and Obama) call Erdogan as ‘evil’?
    They cannot. Because Erdogan is their puppet.
    They call a pm as evil in order to occupy their country afterwards.
    USA don’t need to occupy Turkey since they occupied us long ago!
    (unfortunately) I mean you cannot occupy a country where you occupied already.

    Yes, Kaddafi was not evil, Esat is NOT evil. But this does not make Erdogan being an angel.

    3) Erdogan reaching a deal with pkk.
    pkk is a NARCO TERRORİST organisation, they’re responsible from thousands innocents peoples deaths, including babies, children. Do American presidents make deals with terrorists in your country?
    Is it normal?
    pkk’s goal is to divide Turkey. If Mexicans or Irish people want independence and in order to do this attack American soldiers, civilans, bombings schools, killin children will Obama make deal with them and grant it?

    We are protesting government because:

    1) USA former CIA agent Henri Barkey conffessed that they put the military (Turkish Army)in a tight cage! The proof is here:

    More than 400 officers are charged with ‘trying to make a coup’ but it was a conspiracy. Commanders, generals, admirals, colonels…innocent men! They are now in prison! but pkk terrorists are free! Because USA and the West want a Kurdistan a greater Israil in our borders. A divided Turkey! Thesi commanders were barriers for Erdogans plans.

    2) Every journalists, writers, tv anchorman, tv programmer, opponents of Erdogan are in prison because of a conspiracy called ‘Ergenekon’. They are writing their books in cells.

    3) I suppose you American people celebrate 4th July since it’s your independence day. Do you know that we Turkish secularist people couldn’t celebrate our own independence day in 29 october 2012?
    The police sprayed tear gas! Do you know the reason ? Because dictator Erdogan hates our independence day, he hates Atatürk – founder of secularist republic, that’s why he’s trying to ban 29 october celebrations. I was there, I was in Ulus square on 29 october 2012. With my Turkish flag and Atatürk poster in my hands only. We protest because we want RESPECT to our leader Atatürk, what is Castro for Cuban people, Atatürk is for Turkish people.

    4) Except for 2 tv channels all tv channels are the voice of Erdogan! Many people have fired because they talked agains Erdogan! They criticized Erdogan government.

    5) Moreover there’s a huge corruptain, favoritizm, they make deceit in universitiy entrance examinations, all kind of exams in order to fill everywhere with Fethullah’s supporters! Many exams cancelled,

    6) Everyday a scandalous statement/declaration is being made by Erdogan governmet or supporters, for example a man belongs to a religios authority says ” pregnant woman don’t stroll on the streets it’s a sham”, another scandalous word came today ” don’t tackle with violence against women” by the way women murder statistis heightened up to 1400 during Erdogan government)

    7)Erdogan collapsed national secularist education system,
    8) Backed USA in Libya and now in SYria. The children killed during NATO bombing and their blood in Erdogan’s hands.

    8) Everybody is afraid of criticizin government, Erdogan in facebooks, twitters etc. he says ‘we’re inspecting ıp’s of twitter users!’ he’s THREATING people. He said ‘ complain your
    neighbours who protesting us ” ! ! Because of this a woman filed suit agains her neighbor!

    I’m a 55 years old Turkish woman and I m a blog writer I don’t know whether you publish my comment but if you publish, maybe tomorrow morning Erdogan’s polices knock my door too! You can ask ‘don’t you afraid of being critising Erdogan?’ yes I’m afraid a bit noone wants to go to prison because his/her thoughts.

    ps: sorry it was a long comment

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